Alcohol intolerance...!?

I had a really horrible experience in the middle of the night last night, a few hours after very light drinking! One beer with a salmon dinner at 9, then one greyhound (vodka & fresh-squeezed grapefruit… Maybe the juice did it? None of my meds contraindicated either one!)

I hadn’t been drinking at all for two weeks following my GI endoscopy (Aug 6), and only very lightly most of the time in the last 5 months of being sick, except the week of my birthday in July, which also happened to be my week of low-dose methylprednisolone! I knew this was a little risky, so I started slow and after noticing no issue, drank more at my party that Sat, like 3 or 4 drinks that night instead of my typical one or two. I guess I was pretty wrecked the next day, but I figured that was from a whole day of sun and dancing and hosting a party! In general I felt great that week, and was drinking at least a little almost each day for the whole week… People were buying :slight_smile: That was right after starting plaquenil, my only new ongoing med, with minor consequences if any. But last night was a nightmare!

Around when I got home at midnight, after a big, rushed carb-y snack cause I was feeling voraciously hungry (often happens if I have an irritated stomach, actually), I felt nauseous and dizzy, like I had the spins from heavy drinking, but no sense of even slight intoxication. It would’ve been very welcome to take the edge off of what followed! By an hour later of staying in a comfortable position reading (lying down made it worse, just like the drunken spins), it got a lot worse. Flushed up in my usual spots (malar+forehead+chest) and got dizzier and numbness in my hands and feet, raynaud’s and then pain in my wrists (worst) and entire arms (outside surface, as in the parts that tan, as my usual arm and leg pain is distributed.) my nausea was at least as severe as times I have been vomiting, but I rarely vomit, hate it so much that I’m extremely good at repressing it… Now I was sort of wishing I could to feel better but it wasn’t happening on its own and I wasn’t gonna force it! Throat is still sore from my scope, anyhow! I was also getting a headache and upper neck stiffness (though very mild compared to my other symptoms) and the acute confusion and cognitive slowness I sometimes get. This kept me up till 4, despite being exhausted I felt too ill to sleep or even lie down… In fact waited till I was literally drifting off sitting up before making a wedge of pillows to crash on. Still in my clothes, jeans, bra and all, plus two sweaters because I was also cold and shivering (temp 96.7.) Early in the morning I stripped off the sweaters because I was, well, sweating, and took my temp at 98.0. Went back to light sleep a couple more hours, still ignoring the underwire and now sweat-dampened jeans… Woke up feeling a little like a hangover but much better, and temp 98.5, but throat more scratchy and sore (I’ve been struggling with that a few weeks, but it’s a lot worse today, as if I had been up vomiting all night… Maybe just having reflux. Speaking of, I skipped my nighttime plaquenil last night (didn’t wanna swallow anything, much less something potentially irritating!) or my omeprazole and levothyroxine this morning. The only med I took was my lamictal, which oddly enough gives me symptoms a lot like my episode last night when I’m LATE on it, and it’s orally disintegrating anyway and won’t bother my stomach. Tolerating my small brunch fine (sunflower butter on whole wheat bread and two slices of dried mango), and probably dehydrated but don’t feel like taking in liquids.

I have felt this same wave of symptoms at other random times during more actively flared weeks, often afternoons or early evening with no correlation to food or drink or rest, though more likely after sun. The remarkable thing is that I had 6 DAYS in a row of feeling better than I have in months. Even better than I felt on the low-dose steroids! I did capoeira (intensevfull-body acrobatic Brazilian dance-ish martial art I did several days a week for three years before getting so laid up) on Mon AND Wed with minimal soreness after, including walking and riding my new mini-skateboard to and from! Despite my de-trained state after months of only low-intensity exercise if any at all (except the steroid-boosted week.)This past week and on 8mg methylpred have been my only two weeks of near-normal functioning in the past 6 months! I was so excited that my plaquenil may be kicking in now (starter Jul 5th, timing’s about right to expect it…) And it came crashing back to earth, suddenly and dramatically, 2 hours after 2 measly drinks, taken with plenty of food. Has this ever triggered any of you?

Given my vague and provisional diagnosis, this is making me more nervous about something a cousin was diagnosed with after being misdiagnosed with lupus originally–porphyria. Symptoms are often similar, especially photosensitivity and intermittent nausea, but GI symptoms are more pronounced (like mine are) and it’s more closely tied to drug triggers (like I seem to be for many, especially antibiotics.) Alcohol is a key one, and one of the things that I saw as evidence the porphyrias… I could always tolerate it fine, or so I thought… I have had a few bad experiences in the past, but since I’m not a super heavy or even very regular drinker, it’s hard to tell! 3 times throwing up from drinking in my life, but all following 4+ drinks in a night. Though sometimes I’ve had up to 6 without consequence! Other than drunkenness :slight_smile: But it’s true my sense of wellness slips much faster than my level of intoxication, hence I’ve always been a very moderate drinker. Another sign of porphyria I’ve NEVER had is brown-purple-red urine… But wondering of the other things really fit with lupus or lupus meds??? I’m on the meds listed above plus aspirin and Ativan as needed, but nearly never need (had one tablet at night this past Tues, but that’s it for a long time!) Recently off cephalexin for a UTI (ended last Friday and had really dragged me down with neuropsych synptoms and a flare-up of many of the same things as last night, but I was also late on lamictal a lot due to my me mental disorganization and general disturbance!) and terconazole cream for the yeast infection that followed (finished Wed night.) Cephalexin contraindicated alcohol and grapefruit both, but I’d been off it 6 full days (the same six days I felt awesome), so unless I’m a mega-slow acetylator, it’s long gone!

I know you guys are not professionals at diagnosis, but you are all excellent historians and perspective-sharers :slight_smile: I get the distinct sense that my docs will just say, nix the alcohol and problem solved, without investigating the cause of this surprise clearly-defined issue… I don’t care about drinking that much, I love good microbrews and would miss my favorite cocktail (caipirinha! National drink of Brazil, which I can’t visit due to my sun issues!), but I’m certainly no boozehound. What I DO care about is evidence for a proper differential, which doctors seem to do less and less of these days… Gotta speak up myself when there are doubts. Thank you for your thoughts!

Hi Brynn,

It is the Alcohol causing it and it sounds like your giving your body and allergic reaction to the meds your taking besides the alchol...if i have some whisky which is only when my hubby takes me out i get severe stomach pains.

If this consists if you drink anymore when your out i'd either see a doctor straight away or go to emergency...you may find this link useful regarding allergies to substances.

Best to scroll down to "Allergies and Deficiencies"

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/lupus.html

I hope you recover ok and i'm thinking of you dearly.

Hugs Terri xxx

Brynn

I have to agree with Terri and Ann. I too can’t drink any alcoholic drinks, not beer, not wine, not anything anymore. If I do I have the worst pain in my lower colon and I am house bound for two to three days. The moral of the story is I don’t drink anything and more unless I can stay in bed and at home for two to three days.

Good Luck…Deenie

Hi,

I'd like to add that grapefruit juice causes marked interactions with many drugs. You wouldn't think it, but I check drug finder every so often and have seen graprefruit juice come up. It can really enhance the side effects of some meds. So first, I'd try to stay away from grapefruit juice, or you could try a little without alchohol to see if it's the culprit.

I don't enjoy alchoholic beverages much anymore because it just generally makes me feel yucky. I used to love to drink, but now I only do on special occassions, and I stick to one mixed drink that I really like, or a couple glasses of wine tops.

What's up with all these meds we have to take? I have just been thinking about how crazy it has gotten. Needing a pill box to remember what I've taken. How did this happen?

Yes Nicole, What's up with all these meds and the dreaded pill box? The key is the "remembering" part of it for me. The pill box helps me to remember what day of the week it is : p

Trisha

Nicole said:

Hi,

I'd like to add that grapefruit juice causes marked interactions with many drugs. You wouldn't think it, but I check drug finder every so often and have seen graprefruit juice come up. It can really enhance the side effects of some meds. So first, I'd try to stay away from grapefruit juice, or you could try a little without alchohol to see if it's the culprit.

I don't enjoy alchoholic beverages much anymore because it just generally makes me feel yucky. I used to love to drink, but now I only do on special occassions, and I stick to one mixed drink that I really like, or a couple glasses of wine tops.

What's up with all these meds we have to take? I have just been thinking about how crazy it has gotten. Needing a pill box to remember what I've taken. How did this happen?

Hi Trisha,

That pill box mate...i've not recognized some days and forgotten to take my morning meds...so now i put a yacult where my tablets are to remember, ah it bad mate.lol

Love Terri xxx

Thanks for the further insights, all! I recovered pretty well yesterday afternoon/eve, which I hope means I didn’t kick off a huge flare. I did try just 2 or 3 sips of champagne yesterday evening (there was a bottle open and being shared around a big group, perfect opp to test a little and bail without wasting a whole bottle of something!), and this time I started to feel bad again within 15 minutes! I’m seeing my rheumy on Monday (as well as the psychiatrist, but doubt he’ll have much to say) and will discuss. Maybe tomorrow I’ll try eating a grapefruit around the same time to see what happens. I literally checked every drug I’m on and none caution about either… But to me it seems maybe even grapefruit and booze are a bad pair: in reading about the mechanism of drug interaction, grapefruit slows down the activity of the enzymes used to clear alcohol. And many other drugs. My bet would be that with my lowered drug-tolerance for alcohol (not my digestive intolerance or hypersensitivity just the tolerance that regular users develop; my recent non-consumption means my liver is taking a rest from kicking out those same enzymes…) caused me to process the alcohol slower than I used to, grapefruit may have slowed it more, and then my liver was maxxed with trying to eliminate the alcohol and my other meds that are inactivated by the liver. I think my liver enzymes were looking great at my pre-plaquenil blood draw, but we’ll see what happened in my blood draw on Aug 16 (heat of a flare) and if he takes any on Monday.

As far as hospital trips, I thought a lot about that, and around 2:30am when I called the 24-hr nurse line for advice, I was thinking I would go if anything got worse or if I had any trouble with vital functions (my main issue was major discomfort, but breathing and heartbeating were going fine, no fever, and despite the dizzy-nauseated feeling, I was not disoriented and the brain fog was not even as bad as it sometimes gets during random daytime episodes!) Making the call to go in (which I’ve actually never done, only gone to emergency for injuries not medical, though in hindsight I probably should’ve a few times!) is tough because I am single and live alone in a city with no family, and don’t have a car (not like I would’ve driven like that!)… I have one long-time best-friend here (the one I actually met for the fated drink!) who I could wake at any hour and count on, as well as other friends who I’d feel less comfortable asking, but it starts to seem like an extreme step when it’s a choice between desperately waking everyone I know or calling for an ambulance, rather than just having a partner or someone in the house who’s already awake with me take me in to check it out! Of course my safety is worth any amount of ruckus and cost and all that, I just really try to judge whether it’s truly something a hospital is needed for right now, or if I can manage till getting an urgent appt during the day. Easier said than done when judgment is impaired by a brain-meltdown, and I get so much feedback that my level of anxiety is to blame for my sense of urgency, not seriousness of the issue. But they don’t know what I’m actually experiencing, so it’s just a vicious cycle. The several times I really thought I should go to the ER, the same ones that I later regretted not going (even though I got better eventually or made it to the daytime appointment once the symptoms were already dying down, keys for diagnosis were missed entirely and the unthinkability of what was on the verge of unravelling was too extreme for my taste), the people with the car keys convinced me out of it. In a way I feel relieved to be among a new set of people with different sets of keys… The old ones, most especially my family, have taken on the dismissive attitude that I’m overly anxious and dramatic, and the doctors’ assumptions of hypochondria don’t help! I guess there’s always yellow cab… Thoughts?

Hi Brynn,

I'm pleased you feel better but all i can say is...you've had good feed back of members, so be very careful in the future with how much alcohol consumption you take in, as we just care for one another and would'nt like to think alcohol as harmed you in anyway.

Do takecare Terri xx

Looks like alcohol is contraindicated with Lamictal.

www.drugs.com/food-interactions/lamotrigine,lamictal.html

Sharon