Anyone else had a diagnosis but not?! Med help please?

Hi all,

This is my first post so hopefully I am not repeating what someone else has already posted. I did search but didn't see it anywhere!

Ok, I was kind of diagnosed back in 2006, but they will not class it as lupus as I do not fit into one particular pigeon hole. I have several symptoms of many types apparently so they have called it undifferentiated connective tissue disease, but my rheumy calls it lupus and treats me for it. (when I am on meds)

I am currently not on any medication and have been good for a while, but recently my symptoms are getting worse and worse and I think I am going to have to give in and try medication. My rheumy wants me to go on methotrexate but I so wanted to avoid going onto immunosuppresants (please excuse spelling!). My Dad has RA and is so ill when he is on Metho which puts me right off. Also, I am a radiographer and about to start my first role carrying out this job (graduated in July) and I will be coming into contact with major trauma, seriously ill people etc etc so being suppressed is not the best. However, I also know that unless I get my symptoms under control I won't be well enough to go to work!

I was wondering if anyone had any ideas for alternative medications that I could possibly suggest to my rheumy? She is really good and open to ideas etc.

My current symptoms are dreadful mouth ulcers, I have 18 on the last count all in one place so swollen face, glands etc and they are on day 10 with no sign of going. My hair is falling out in chunks, joint pains really nasty, particularly my hands, wrists and knees. Also the numbness of my hands and feet are at an all time high! Confusion, dropping things, fatigue, anxiety but I have these all the time so kinda used to them. Oh and weight gain, have gained a load recently :(

Thank you and sorry for the essay!

Lisa

I know u don’t like pills I s wear my breakfast doses fill me up like 2 egs & bacon. I like natural too but had I not used the medicines to help me get control of things I would only have 4 semesters of nursing school under my belt in 10 yrs instead of 8. Keep in contact w your dr as soon as you feel side effects. There may be another steroid or rx that will work better with your chemistry or sometimes combinations of meds is the trick. Just don’t waste time on it if the med doesn’t work . Don’t be afraid of what the medicine might do to you, you probably have never had to take these before and it is goons take some getting used to. I wrote something recently about cannabis I have done so much research and it has a psychoactive substance as well as a naturally occurring neurotransmitter called cannabinoids. The psycho achtive substance is referred to as THC the nuerotrantmitterb is know as CBD. You get more CBD in baked or de-carboxylated an encapsulated marijuana products, it IS the best medicine. CBD.’ are very important to the way our bodies receive and interprate pain signals. Cannabis is one of the few substances that have the exact same molecular structure as the chemical that is poroduced in our brains. Tell me that is an accident. Just the same way a coconut is sterile and has the exact same electeolyte profile that humans have,is the same pH as our blood, and if you need fluids stat and that is all there is it will save your life and is very similar to getting fluids in IV form.Many say that by eating a pot brownie daily it can help people function a lot clearer than most commercialRx. Don’t beat yourself up now that it takes you more energy and more focus to do the simplest of tasks. You are not alone. It is really juxst figuring it out as you go along. For my ulcers I used to get magic mouthwash prescribed (numbs so you. Can eat, but u can’t taste very well, cholera septic or anbesol does the same thing and it is a little easier to dab directly on the ulcer milk of magnesia just swishe and spit ( it is a laxative so don’t swLlow, swallowing everyday for a couple months you might actually ruin your ability to poo normally. Don’t get on barbiturates and narcotics they are a trap there are ways to deal with pain better. One day at a time that is really all you can prepare for, you will drive yourself crazy if you are always trying to prevent a fall and sometimes a fall is what w need to really teach us what we need to know.

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~READ THE FOLLOWING ONLY IF YOU ARE IN A GOOD MOOD. YOU MAY NOT BE RECEPTIVE TO THE MESSAGE IF YOU ARE NOT IN A RELAXED STATE OF MIND. IT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE TO YOU! TRUST ME!~
Uh… Yeah! I have this… and uh, well not one doc, or nurse, or therapist, or cat, cow, or bird could help me either.! I live in a medical Marijauana state in NM and i had the opportunity to try some. I also have a really good friend of mine, a guy, who has “intractable vomiting and naseau” and he was the guy who told me how it helps him with his health problem. I thought, hey! I vomit TOO! FOR NOOOO REASON!!!
Maybe, If I try some. I might be able to feel better too. I did! And It was BLOODY AMAZING!!!
I didn’t smoke very much. i had someone who was very calm and easy going to help me get started. In The society that we live in, sometimes I think that we are overwhelmed by campaigns of “Don’t-do-drugs”, “Don’t smoke”, “don’t drink”. But come on, really folks? Lets just boil it down to something that we might be able to handle for today and today only! Is this a medicine that can be of use and benefit to me? UH YYEESS!!! It sure can. And, you know what? IT DOES!! IT DOES!!! I really reccomend trying to find someone who is a nice easy going person, who might be able to help you feel comfortable trying it? If this person can be relaxed enough to guide you through something new and scary you will probably get a very positive experience out of it, just pick your “guide” well. (It’s a plant people… and it helps me!)
You are going through something really scary right now and that is OK. Keep talking to us and someone here should have an answer that might work for your lifestyle and particular situations. Good luck, I really hope you can begin to understand the weird abyss that is… Lupus. It seems like that now in the beginning but it will be easier. Don’t give up. Keep asking questions, question your docs, nurses, receptionist, rabbi, priest, budda…: whoever you give your prayers to, moms dads, brothers, sisters, dogs, ice cream, brownies, however you deal with normal things in life now ( or even just today). Someone knows something. There are answers.
~LOTS OF LOVE!!~
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Hi there,

Thank you so much for your replies. I will speak to my rheumy and try some of her suggested medications. As much as I completely recognise that Marijuana has the properties and would more than likely help, I won't be using it. I gave up smoking 9 weeks ago and as it is a class A drug here in the UK I could possibly get in a great deal of trouble and lose my job. Please know that I am not against it's use for pain and conditions such as lupus, I am not, it is just not an option for me, but I thank you again for your time and effort.

Lisa

No I understand I wish it was a different world because it would probably save some people’s lives good luck. And if it turns out things don’t work keep asking us here one of is bound to have had something similar

R u on plaquenil?? That seems to sort of be the standard for lupus/RA. It won’t cure your symptoms but is supposed to slow the progression of the disease. Methotrexate is a whopper of a drug!!! I don’t blame you for not wanting to go on it!! Maybe ask about the plaquenil in conjunction with some other meds like prednisone etc. Good luck!!! Hope u find the right cocktail!! :wink:

Hi Queenie,

Thanks for the reply. I have tried plaquenil but it made me very sick. I haven't tried prednisone so maybe that is worth a shot. I wish there was something similar to plaquenil which wasn't it! lol!

Thanks again

Lisa

Hi Lisa,

Did you try name brand Plaquenil or the generic? I've read replies from other members who say the name brand is better if the generic makes you sick? Just a thought. Trisha

Hi Trisha,

Thanks for the reply. I am not sure, I think it was the brand name plaquenil if I remember rightly, but I will definitely check.

Thank you

Lisa

I fall into this category as well. Doc is calling the same thing but treating me for Lupus. I have started plaquenil but he says it can take months to have results. If you are on facebook there is a whole page/group with people that are in the same situation. The page is called UCTD.

Hi Lisa,



I’m sorry to hear you’re so ill now (and your symptons now sound more specific to lupus with the ulcers…) It’s a shame Plaquenil didn’t work well for you, since it’s one of the only ones we have that doesn’t carry much scarier risks of complications and harmful side effects! I have been on it 3 months now and am just starting to see benefits, and it does also make me feel a bit ill, so I take it at night and sleep it off. Sometimes I still feel bad from it for the first few hours of my day, but it’s an improvement compared to uncontrolled lupus, since I usually do better the rest of the day after that! It can also contribute to hair loss, though, as I didn’t have any loss before it and now my hair is noticeably thinning out even though I don’t lose clumps. Maybe you can have them check on vitamin deficiencies to help (since hair health can indicate some things are missing), as well as your thyroid levels. I have anti-thyroid antibodies as well, which is common for autoimmune sufferers, and require a low level of thyroid supplementation. It helps with energy levels, and thyroid optimization also relates to hair loss (though too low and too high can both cause it, just-right seems to help!)



Whether it’s Plaquenil or anything else, something needs to stop your flare in its tracks for now, and steroids are great for that. My rheumy used low-dose METHYLprednisolone (which he told me is a more active form that doesn’t demand as much of the liver while working more effectively, brand name Medrol.) The low dose really had no side effects, but perhaps you’ll need a bit more I wasn’t having symptoms as severe as yours all at once. I’m actually having more ulcers now than before treatment, but much less body pain, fatigue, skin rashes, etc… The ulcers really are horrible, though, taking away your ability to speak and eat while leaving you in constant pain! I’m not sure if any of the meds available are known to really help with them, although they tend to be indicative of overall disease activity. Starting with new disease-modifying long-term management after a reset from steroids (or whatever else you and your doctors think will work quickly) may help prevent more rounds of them just by staving off lupus activity in general. Unfortunately for us, periods of remission are no guarantee of avoiding further decline at any time, so I see those as a time to use the least-invasive but known-to-be-effective treatment so you aren’t stuck escalating when it rears its ugly head again!



Even though methotrexate is a rough one, when I was working on autoimmunity clinical research before getting sick (ironic, but helpful!) I met many patients (mostly with RA) who found Plaquenil intolerable and do well on methotrexate. It’s just optimization for you as an individual, but it sounds like your work requires avoiding too much immune-suppression. As far as I know, Plaquenil is really the only lupus or RA option that modifies the disease severity itself (versus just treating symptoms, like pain relievers, etc.) that doesn’t cause outright immunosuppression (you were only missing one s for that spelling :slight_smile: .)

As far as natural “alternatives”, I look at them as layung a groundwork for the best function and wellness possible for your body–while you still treat the disease, so not really alternatives but rather optimizers :slight_smile: There are vitamins/minerals thought to support or even restore functions that are lost in lupus or perhaps even underlie it as causes, and a few herbs that may be helpful for maintenance of immune balance with similar actions to some of the pharma drugs (not enough research to say, though!) Still, it seems your disease right now needs more aggressive management with better evidence of working. Maybe that could get you back to the point of vitamin balancing and herbal anti-inflammatory and anti-coagulant turmeric and the like, but keep in mind that any herbal remedy that actually works is doing something to your body with a drug property of some kind (original drugs come from herbs, barks and fungus!), and the pharmaceutical ones are far more researched and regulated. I still advocate using the most naturally supportive option available: nutrition! I have been eating an anti-inflammatory (low sat fat, rich in omegas, tons of a variety of fruits/veggies) diet for about 5 years, with more recent intolerances (including to dairy) that have further limited it in the past 3 years (do still eat a fair amount of wheat, because I need it as a protein source and can’t eat the gluten-free alternatives due to corn intolerance… I subscribe more to the variety principle than the such-and-such is evil philosophy, eating a lot of rice, quinoa and other grains as well! Indontveat meat though, other than the occasional lean poultry, since I stopped all meat but fish 10 yrs ago as a teen.) When I first adopted a stricter whole foods approach 5 years back, just like when I went lacto-ovo-peacatarian before, I noticed a slight improvement in the pain and fatigue I was having at the time, but it wasn’t potent enough of a change to prevent me from sliding down to fully diagnosable lupus this year! I stick to it, and plan to do some further vitamin optimization and possibly add turmeric when my medications stabilize, but at this point those are all ways of supporting the best natural function I can have while I accept that my body still needs outside management from stronger drugs. It is a serious disease, not just a general wellness issue…



Many blame the modern diet or lifestyle for causing lupus, even claim that reversing it is as simple as correcting those threats and imbalances for the body to heal itself… But the fact remains that our bodis are actually attacking themselves, and before the drug treatments we now have, people often suffered much more and more frequently died from it (which of course, still occurs.) I find the best and only truly holistic approach is to use any tools available that help and do the least harm, preferably based on evidence and sound biological reasoning but also paying attention to your own instincts and self-awareness, tailoring it to your own needs and reaction to it. It may be that for you methotrexate does fit the bill, but it may be you want to try again with milder interventions (like diet, lifestyle and Plaquenil) after calming down the current flare. It’s tough to make these calls… Moreover, tough living with such an unpredictable chronic disease! Best of luck to you sorting out what works for you!

I was diagnosed with Lupus in 2000 then demoted to UCTD (like you) a year later by a different rheumy. In 2009 amidst a seriously bad flare I was again diagnosed with Lupus. Sounds like you could at least use some corticosteroids. Sorry to say that most flares of the magnitude you described require some level of immunosupression to get them under control. I am sorry you are suffering! I have never taken methotrexate but definitely understand your hesitation. Take care :). Kerri

great post!

Hi Brynn

Impressive reply : )

Trisha

Brynn said:

Hi Lisa,

I'm sorry to hear you're so ill now (and your symptons now sound more specific to lupus with the ulcers...) It's a shame Plaquenil didn't work well for you, since it's one of the only ones we have that doesn't carry much scarier risks of complications and harmful side effects! I have been on it 3 months now and am just starting to see benefits, and it does also make me feel a bit ill, so I take it at night and sleep it off. Sometimes I still feel bad from it for the first few hours of my day, but it's an improvement compared to uncontrolled lupus, since I usually do better the rest of the day after that! It can also contribute to hair loss, though, as I didn't have any loss before it and now my hair is noticeably thinning out even though I don't lose clumps. Maybe you can have them check on vitamin deficiencies to help (since hair health can indicate some things are missing), as well as your thyroid levels. I have anti-thyroid antibodies as well, which is common for autoimmune sufferers, and require a low level of thyroid supplementation. It helps with energy levels, and thyroid optimization also relates to hair loss (though too low and too high can both cause it, just-right seems to help!)

Whether it's Plaquenil or anything else, something needs to stop your flare in its tracks for now, and steroids are great for that. My rheumy used low-dose METHYLprednisolone (which he told me is a more active form that doesn't demand as much of the liver while working more effectively, brand name Medrol.) The low dose really had no side effects, but perhaps you'll need a bit more I wasn't having symptoms as severe as yours all at once. I'm actually having more ulcers now than before treatment, but much less body pain, fatigue, skin rashes, etc... The ulcers really are horrible, though, taking away your ability to speak and eat while leaving you in constant pain! I'm not sure if any of the meds available are known to really help with them, although they tend to be indicative of overall disease activity. Starting with new disease-modifying long-term management after a reset from steroids (or whatever else you and your doctors think will work quickly) may help prevent more rounds of them just by staving off lupus activity in general. Unfortunately for us, periods of remission are no guarantee of avoiding further decline at any time, so I see those as a time to use the least-invasive but known-to-be-effective treatment so you aren't stuck escalating when it rears its ugly head again!

Even though methotrexate is a rough one, when I was working on autoimmunity clinical research before getting sick (ironic, but helpful!) I met many patients (mostly with RA) who found Plaquenil intolerable and do well on methotrexate. It's just optimization for you as an individual, but it sounds like your work requires avoiding too much immune-suppression. As far as I know, Plaquenil is really the only lupus or RA option that modifies the disease severity itself (versus just treating symptoms, like pain relievers, etc.) that doesn't cause outright immunosuppression (you were only missing one s for that spelling :) .)

As far as natural "alternatives", I look at them as layung a groundwork for the best function and wellness possible for your body--while you still treat the disease, so not really alternatives but rather optimizers :) There are vitamins/minerals thought to support or even restore functions that are lost in lupus or perhaps even underlie it as causes, and a few herbs that may be helpful for maintenance of immune balance with similar actions to some of the pharma drugs (not enough research to say, though!) Still, it seems your disease right now needs more aggressive management with better evidence of working. Maybe that could get you back to the point of vitamin balancing and herbal anti-inflammatory and anti-coagulant turmeric and the like, but keep in mind that any herbal remedy that actually works is doing something to your body with a drug property of some kind (original drugs come from herbs, barks and fungus!), and the pharmaceutical ones are far more researched and regulated. I still advocate using the most naturally supportive option available: nutrition! I have been eating an anti-inflammatory (low sat fat, rich in omegas, tons of a variety of fruits/veggies) diet for about 5 years, with more recent intolerances (including to dairy) that have further limited it in the past 3 years (do still eat a fair amount of wheat, because I need it as a protein source and can't eat the gluten-free alternatives due to corn intolerance... I subscribe more to the variety principle than the such-and-such is evil philosophy, eating a lot of rice, quinoa and other grains as well! Indontveat meat though, other than the occasional lean poultry, since I stopped all meat but fish 10 yrs ago as a teen.) When I first adopted a stricter whole foods approach 5 years back, just like when I went lacto-ovo-peacatarian before, I noticed a slight improvement in the pain and fatigue I was having at the time, but it wasn't potent enough of a change to prevent me from sliding down to fully diagnosable lupus this year! I stick to it, and plan to do some further vitamin optimization and possibly add turmeric when my medications stabilize, but at this point those are all ways of supporting the best natural function I can have while I accept that my body still needs outside management from stronger drugs. It is a serious disease, not just a general wellness issue....

Many blame the modern diet or lifestyle for causing lupus, even claim that reversing it is as simple as correcting those threats and imbalances for the body to heal itself... But the fact remains that our bodis are actually attacking themselves, and before the drug treatments we now have, people often suffered much more and more frequently died from it (which of course, still occurs.) I find the best and only truly holistic approach is to use any tools available that help and do the least harm, preferably based on evidence and sound biological reasoning but also paying attention to your own instincts and self-awareness, tailoring it to your own needs and reaction to it. It may be that for you methotrexate does fit the bill, but it may be you want to try again with milder interventions (like diet, lifestyle and Plaquenil) after calming down the current flare. It's tough to make these calls... Moreover, tough living with such an unpredictable chronic disease! Best of luck to you sorting out what works for you!

Hi Brynn!

All I can say is wow! and Thank you! What an amazing reply, you are so very knowledgeable, I only wish my GP was nearly as helpful! I am going to take my time to re read your answer and look at changing my diet etc too. I know my diet isn't good, I am over weight which does not help the joints, it is recent weight gain though due to packing in the ciggies. I am trying exercise but some days I am just too tired to go there.

Thank you again Brynn, I appreciate all the time you spent on your answer.

Lisa

Thank you! I didn't see this reply earlier! I will have a look on facebook! X

SJB said:

I fall into this category as well. Doc is calling the same thing but treating me for Lupus. I have started plaquenil but he says it can take months to have results. If you are on facebook there is a whole page/group with people that are in the same situation. The page is called UCTD.

Thank you Kerri! x

wadkunjaga said:

I was diagnosed with Lupus in 2000 then demoted to UCTD (like you) a year later by a different rheumy. In 2009 amidst a seriously bad flare I was again diagnosed with Lupus. Sounds like you could at least use some corticosteroids. Sorry to say that most flares of the magnitude you described require some level of immunosupression to get them under control. I am sorry you are suffering! I have never taken methotrexate but definitely understand your hesitation. Take care :). Kerri

Hi Lisa and all,

No problem! Like I mentioned, I used to work in this area, plus have a big career interest in health. Doesn’t take me much work to rattle things off (you can see it in my spelling sometimes :wink: ) mostly try to keep it at least organized, even though it’s long… so it’s possible to follow it! One of the things I like to do when I’m resting in bed is catch up LWL :slight_smile:

Plaquinil didn’t work for me either 2 yrs later drs finally decided to try chloroquine. To my knowledge they are both very similar. However, chloroquine began to work with in 6 mos.



Lisa said:

Hi Queenie,

Thanks for the reply. I have tried plaquenil but it made me very sick. I haven’t tried prednisone so maybe that is worth a shot. I wish there was something similar to plaquenil which wasn’t it! lol!

Thanks again

Lisa

Corn has gluten too try quinoa spelt or wheat berries and all of these when sprouted they have more enzymes co enzymes so you digest the food better and get a more complex different nutrition profile



Trisha said:

Hi Brynn

Impressive reply : )

Trisha

Brynn said:

Hi Lisa,

I’m sorry to hear you’re so ill now (and your symptons now sound more specific to lupus with the ulcers…) It’s a shame Plaquenil didn’t work well for you, since it’s one of the only ones we have that doesn’t carry much scarier risks of complications and harmful side effects! I have been on it 3 months now and am just starting to see benefits, and it does also make me feel a bit ill, so I take it at night and sleep it off. Sometimes I still feel bad from it for the first few hours of my day, but it’s an improvement compared to uncontrolled lupus, since I usually do better the rest of the day after that! It can also contribute to hair loss, though, as I didn’t have any loss before it and now my hair is noticeably thinning out even though I don’t lose clumps. Maybe you can have them check on vitamin deficiencies to help (since hair health can indicate some things are missing), as well as your thyroid levels. I have anti-thyroid antibodies as well, which is common for autoimmune sufferers, and require a low level of thyroid supplementation. It helps with energy levels, and thyroid optimization also relates to hair loss (though too low and too high can both cause it, just-right seems to help!)

Whether it’s Plaquenil or anything else, something needs to stop your flare in its tracks for now, and steroids are great for that. My rheumy used low-dose METHYLprednisolone (which he told me is a more active form that doesn’t demand as much of the liver while working more effectively, brand name Medrol.) The low dose really had no side effects, but perhaps you’ll need a bit more I wasn’t having symptoms as severe as yours all at once. I’m actually having more ulcers now than before treatment, but much less body pain, fatigue, skin rashes, etc… The ulcers really are horrible, though, taking away your ability to speak and eat while leaving you in constant pain! I’m not sure if any of the meds available are known to really help with them, although they tend to be indicative of overall disease activity. Starting with new disease-modifying long-term management after a reset from steroids (or whatever else you and your doctors think will work quickly) may help prevent more rounds of them just by staving off lupus activity in general. Unfortunately for us, periods of remission are no guarantee of avoiding further decline at any time, so I see those as a time to use the least-invasive but known-to-be-effective treatment so you aren’t stuck escalating when it rears its ugly head again!

Even though methotrexate is a rough one, when I was working on autoimmunity clinical research before getting sick (ironic, but helpful!) I met many patients (mostly with RA) who found Plaquenil intolerable and do well on methotrexate. It’s just optimization for you as an individual, but it sounds like your work requires avoiding too much immune-suppression. As far as I know, Plaquenil is really the only lupus or RA option that modifies the disease severity itself (versus just treating symptoms, like pain relievers, etc.) that doesn’t cause outright immunosuppression (you were only missing one s for that spelling :slight_smile: .)

As far as natural “alternatives”, I look at them as layung a groundwork for the best function and wellness possible for your body–while you still treat the disease, so not really alternatives but rather optimizers :slight_smile: There are vitamins/minerals thought to support or even restore functions that are lost in lupus or perhaps even underlie it as causes, and a few herbs that may be helpful for maintenance of immune balance with similar actions to some of the pharma drugs (not enough research to say, though!) Still, it seems your disease right now needs more aggressive management with better evidence of working. Maybe that could get you back to the point of vitamin balancing and herbal anti-inflammatory and anti-coagulant turmeric and the like, but keep in mind that any herbal remedy that actually works is doing something to your body with a drug property of some kind (original drugs come from herbs, barks and fungus!), and the pharmaceutical ones are far more researched and regulated. I still advocate using the most naturally supportive option available: nutrition! I have been eating an anti-inflammatory (low sat fat, rich in omegas, tons of a variety of fruits/veggies) diet for about 5 years, with more recent intolerances (including to dairy) that have further limited it in the past 3 years (do still eat a fair amount of wheat, because I need it as a protein source and can’t eat the gluten-free alternatives due to corn intolerance… I subscribe more to the variety principle than the such-and-such is evil philosophy, eating a lot of rice, quinoa and other grains as well! Indontveat meat though, other than the occasional lean poultry, since I stopped all meat but fish 10 yrs ago as a teen.) When I first adopted a stricter whole foods approach 5 years back, just like when I went lacto-ovo-peacatarian before, I noticed a slight improvement in the pain and fatigue I was having at the time, but it wasn’t potent enough of a change to prevent me from sliding down to fully diagnosable lupus this year! I stick to it, and plan to do some further vitamin optimization and possibly add turmeric when my medications stabilize, but at this point those are all ways of supporting the best natural function I can have while I accept that my body still needs outside management from stronger drugs. It is a serious disease, not just a general wellness issue…

Many blame the modern diet or lifestyle for causing lupus, even claim that reversing it is as simple as correcting those threats and imbalances for the body to heal itself… But the fact remains that our bodis are actually attacking themselves, and before the drug treatments we now have, people often suffered much more and more frequently died from it (which of course, still occurs.) I find the best and only truly holistic approach is to use any tools available that help and do the least harm, preferably based on evidence and sound biological reasoning but also paying attention to your own instincts and self-awareness, tailoring it to your own needs and reaction to it. It may be that for you methotrexate does fit the bill, but it may be you want to try again with milder interventions (like diet, lifestyle and Plaquenil) after calming down the current flare. It’s tough to make these calls… Moreover, tough living with such an unpredictable chronic disease! Best of luck to you sorting out what works for you!